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Evangelism and Physical Fitness: Setting Boundaries between Rest and Employment

Life is a balancing act and, if you’re at all like me, you’ve probably struggled at times to maintain that balance: especially when it comes to rest and work.  We live in a high-paced society filled with schedules, deadlines, and difficult-to-meet expectations from bosses, professors, family members, and friends. Our lives are dominated by activities ranging from mundane chores like doing our laundry and cooking dinner to tasks which (seemingly) have the ability to make or break our future job prospects.  And the Church has its demands as well!

With all of this going on around us, it isn’t surprising finding a spare moment to sit down and relax can sometimes seem like an impossible dream!  Indeed, setting and maintaining boundaries between the tasks we must accomplish and the relaxation our bodies and minds so ardently desire can be quite a challenge.  That’s why, over the next few weeks, we’ll be taking a look at some simple ways to set boundaries between work and play.  We’ll explore three types of work/rest boundaries that confront each of us, along with some tips for overcoming the impossible and actually getting the rest that we need.  We’ll be exploring the delicate balance that exists between rest and employment, what to do when the line between work and rest gets blurred, and how to handle the tangible tension which often exists between rest and ministry.

We’ll get started this week with the trickiest of these three: the balance between rest and employment.  Unless you happen to be independently wealthy, you have to have a job.  It is through your employment that you are able to pay your electric bill, cover the cost of your groceries, and ensure that you aren’t running around in just a loin cloth.  If you’re amongst the richest 25% of world population (those who make over $3,706 a year), you probably also have the ability to occasionally see a movie or buy a candy bar.  But even those who are among the “richest” aren’t always rolling in the dough and a loss of hours can lead to serious financial hardship.

That this can lead to conflict when it comes to scheduling time for rest is undoubted.  For example, what do we do when we really have to work that extra day this week or risk losing our employment?  What should we do when the boss says we can have the extra hours we need to pay off our student loan, but we haven’t had a day off in over a month?  And how do we handle it when those who control our time on the clock feel they have the right to control our time off the clock?

While some might be tempted to argue that those facing these circumstances ought to “take a stand”, say no, and trust God, those who have lived through similar situations know that doing so isn’t always wise… or even possible.  We recognize that God’s provision for our needs doesn’t always come in a way that is comfortable or appealing and that sometimes we’re called to do something which doesn’t permit us a great deal of freedom or control.  We aren’t necessarily allowing ourselves to be used as doormats (though it may appear that way to others), but we are submitting ourselves to authority in order to achieve the end that God has put before us – in this case, earning a living.

The result is that some of us have to learn the delicate art of “resting one moment at a time”.  Unlike the full day off we discussed in our series on the Sabbath, this art demands that we learn to look for the little breaks in our day that allow us even just a few minutes to “escape” from the world surrounding us and into fellowship with God.  It requires that we learn to make the best of the time we have, investing it in the activities and relationships that really matter.  And it can make the difference between our being Spirit-filled representations of God’s love for humanity or just another cranky Christian.  It isn’t always an easy skill to pick up, so next week, we’ll be taking a look at a few tips to help you on your way!

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Evangelism and Physical Fitness: Rest and Relationship

Last week, in “What the Sabbath Rest Is”, we discussed the value of the Sabbath as a celebration of deliverance: both Israel’s deliverance from Egypt and our deliverance from sin.  But that’s not where Sabbath observance ends.  God didn’t rescue either the Hebrews or us from something just to leave us wandering in a desert.  Freedom isn’t just about delivering people from slavery: it’s about delivering them to something else.  And in this case, that “something else” is a relationship.

In Titus 3:4-7 we read that, “when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.”  Romans 8:14-17 declares that, “all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.” This word, “heir” is used throughout the New Testament (Galatians 3:26-29, 4:1-7, Hebrews 6:17 and 11:9, to name a few) and indicates a relationship far more intimate than that of mere acquaintances… it is a relationship of sons and daughters.

It is this relationship which we celebrate as we observe the Sabbath.  Not merely a day of rest, but one of focused rest, this single day each week is to be centered upon our Heavenly Father and dedicated to those things which will draw us closer to Him.  But what exactly are those things?  Here are a few ideas.

  1. Read the Bible.  Can you imagine getting a letter from a friend and just ignoring it?  Probably not.  To do so, would show your disinterest in the relationship… yet all too often, that’s what we do to God.  If you’re looking for a good way to celebrate your relationship with Him, start with His letter to you: the Bible.
  2. Prayer.  Jesus teaches His disciples to pray beginning with the phrase “Our Father” (Matthew 6:9 and Luke 11:2) Unlike the prayers of the heathens (Matthew 6:7), this one isn’t the mere repetition of words.  It’s a conversation between intimate friends and, as with any dialogue, it has the power to deepen and expand our relationship with the One addressed.  Perhaps you can even take the opportunity to share your thoughts about what you just read!
  3. Enjoy each other’s company.  This may seem obvious, but one of the best parts about a friendship is the ability to simply “be” together.  Instead of making your time with God all about study, why not simply sit and listen?  You may be surprised at some of the things He has to say to you!
  4. Fellowship.  One of the best ways to celebrate relationship is in the company of others.  While attending a Church service, Bible study, or Sunday school isn’t compulsory for believers, doing so can play an important role in deepening our relationship with God… and the rest of His family.

These are just a handful of “celebratory” ideas to get you started.  There are plenty of ways to cultivate any relationship – including our relationship with God.  The more time you spend “resting” in His presence, the deeper that relationship will become.  A side benefit?  The closer that connection grows, the easier it will be to act in obedience to God’s command to share His love with others!

Next week, we’ll be looking at a less relationally-centered form of rest as we explore the importance of setting boundaries between our time at work and our time off.  Meanwhile, feel free to share your own thoughts on the Sabbath in the comment box below!

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Evangelism and Physical Fitness: What the Sabbath Rest Is

Last week, in “What the Sabbath Rest Isn’t”, we discussed the pattern of rest God established for His followers as well as how that pattern became corrupted.  But recognizing what the Sabbath isn’t doesn’t always help us when it comes to recognizing what the Sabbath is… or even whether it’s something that (medical evidence aside) ought to be observed by believers today. Was the Sabbath merely meant to be the Jewish equivalent of a “day off”?  Or was it intended to be something more?  And if it was, are there consequences involved with ignoring it?

For the answer to these questions, we must turn first to the Ten Commandments.  (Exodus 20)  Delivered to Moses on Mt. Sinai, these ten basic rules outlined the behavior which God expected from His people.  More than just a set of guidelines for righteous living (or, as Paul would later point out in Romans 3:20, a spotlight to help identify sinful behavior), these commands set the parameters for our relationship with God.  They helped the Israelites identify those behaviors which would either deepen or destroy the intimacy they enjoyed with their Creator.

If you’ve taken the time to thoroughly read the New Testament, you’ve probably noticed that each of these commandments is repeated… but with a single exception: “Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work; but the seventh day is the sabbath of Jehovah thy God.”  (Exodus 20:9-10a)  Why isn’t there a Sabbath command to be found in all of the teachings of Christ or His Apostles? 

While most of us are familiar with the initial giving of the commandments in Exodus, far fewer Christians are acquainted with the reiteration of these commands to be found in Deuteronomy.  It is here, in chapter 5, verses 12-15 that God explains to Israel that there is far more to this day of rest than simply relaxation.  Indeed, those who follow Him are commanded to, “Observe the sabbath day to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant or your ox or your donkey or any of your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you, so that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out of there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to observe the sabbath day.”  The reason for the Sabbath?  To remember Israel’s deliverance from slavery. 

Since not every member of the expanding Church was Jewish, it’s not surprising to find the Apostle Paul advocating the type of freedom which allowed believers the choice between observing the Sabbath or abstaining.  (Romans 14:4-6)  But even then, the issue wasn’t cut-and-dried.  Many believers both then and now continue to see a parallel between Israel’s deliverance from Egypt and our own deliverance from sin.  And if the Hebrew people were to celebrate the one on a weekly basis, how much more should we as Christians take time to celebrate the latter!

Next week, we’ll dig a bit deeper as we examine the relational nature of a Sabbath rest, but for now, feel free to share your own thoughts on the subject in the comment box below!


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Evangelism and Physical Fitness: What the Sabbath Rest Isn’t

Last week, in “Rest and the Biblical Case for Taking a Day Off”, we took a look at the practical value of rest and the ways in which a regular pattern of rest can influence us both physically and mentally.  We explored the pattern of rest which God established in Genesis and considered Jesus’ declaration that, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.”  (Mark 2:27)  So what exactly is the Sabbath?

According to Exodus 20:9-10, the Sabbath was to be a special day set apart from all others – a day in which those who followed the God of Israel were to do no work.  Starting with this understanding, we can begin to construct an idea of what it means to rest… or at least what it doesn’t mean.

So what qualifies as work?  According to rabbinic tradition, to work was to engage in creative action.  It was labor with the intention of bringing about something new, in similitude with God’s act in creating the heavens and the earth.  While it’s obvious that men can’t create something out of nothing as God did, we’ve certainly proven ourselves capable of transforming one thing into another – and it’s this type of labor which is forbidden on the Sabbath.  If the rabbis are correct (and many Christians argue that they are), those who wish to observe the Sabbath must cease from any task which results in the production of something else.

But even this definition leaves us with some gray areas.  For example, most of us would agree that building a house, baking bread, writing a poem, and painting a picture are creative (or at least transformative) activities.  But what about an activity like walking which results in the “creation” of muscle mass or eating which results in increased energy?  Are these creative acts and, if so, who is responsible for the creation?  Is it God who originated the process by which the thing is created or the men who provide the material with which to create?

In an attempt to answer this question, the rabbis established a number of rules concerning everything from how to prepare Sabbath meals (an activity performed a day in advance) to how many steps one could take between sunset and sunrise.  It wasn’t long before these rules dominated everyone seeking to observe the Sabbath, turning the day of rest into a burden rather than release.  The rules which had been created to aide in the enjoyment of the day had resulted in the same type of legalism which Jesus condemned in Matthew 23:1-4.

The Apostle Paul (unlike the rabbis) was quick to note that it wasn’t the actual activities which occurred on the Sabbath which made it a day of rest, but rather the attitude with which those activities were performed.  Addressing the Church in Rome (a congregation made up of both Jews and Gentiles), he asked, “Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord…”  (Romans 14:4-6)

So where does this leave us as we seek to observe a day of rest?  Quite honestly, with a great deal of freedom.

Next week, we’ll take a closer look of the practical issues surrounding the Sabbath as well as some ways in which regular observance of this day of rest can better prepare us to share the Gospel with others.  Meanwhile, feel free to share your own thoughts in the comment box below!

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Evangelism and Physical Fitness: Rest and the Biblical Case for Taking a Day Off

If sleep is important to our work as evangelists and faithful Christ-followers, then so is rest. Taking a day or even a few hours off at regular intervals allows our bodies to heal and our minds to refocus, spurring our creativity and opening our eyes to new possibilities.  Proper rest allows us the time to explore and enjoy the world around us.  It gives us the opportunity to marvel at God’s creative power and loving care.  And it opens the doors which allow us to better develop our relationships with both our Master and our fellow humans – both of which play a key role in our endeavors to share the Gospel.

For many of us, however, finding time to rest can be just as challenging as getting a good night’s sleep!  Between all of the things we have to do, how are we supposed to find time for the things we want to do?  And how do you create the opportunity for genuine rest when you have a brain that, like mine, never seems to turn itself off?  Do we just surrender to the realities of our modern world… or is there a better way?

To answer these questions, we need to begin with the understanding that God set a pattern for our rest early in the Scriptures.  Genesis 2:2 tells us that, “By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.”  That God intended this to be more than a moment of relaxation for Himself is evident; the following verse declares that, “God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.”

This sanctification is clarified in Exodus 20:9-11 in which Moses commands the Israelites, “Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.”  According to Jesus, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.”  (Mark 2:27)  This day was intended to be a special gift from God to us… and it’s up to us to choose to accept it.

So how do we do that in a world packed with deadlines and schedules beyond our control?  Over the next few weeks, we’ll take some time to delve into the issues which help or hinder our ability to embrace the rest that God offers.  We’ll investigate what it means to properly observe the Sabbath, talk about the importance of setting boundaries between work and play, explore the value of developing and maintaining a few hobbies, and discuss what to do when opportunities for genuine rest are few and far between.

Meanwhile, don’t forget to drop us a note in the comment box below!  We’d love to hear about your own journey as we learn to embrace the gift of rest!

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Evangelism and Physical Fitness: Solutions to Sleeplessness

Last week in “Sleep and Evangelism”, we took a look at a few of the medical benefits to sleep and how it affects our daily lives (including our ability to effectively share the Gospel with those around us).  We discussed the role it plays in healing our bodies, spurring creativity, and improving our memories. Clearly, God had a purpose when He created sleep.  So what do we do if we aren’t getting enough?  Here are some good ideas:

  1. Take a good look at your schedule.  If your day is packed from dawn to dusk or filled with tasks that keep you awake until different times each night, you’ve likely found the reason for your restlessness.  Prayerfully consider which activities are really important… then let the rest go.  Remember that there is a time and a season for everything (Ecclesiastes 3:1-8), so even if you have to let an opportunity fall by the wayside now, it doesn’t mean that it will remain there forever.  If reducing your workload isn’t possible, try creating a sleep schedule that will at least help you get to bed at the same time each night.  Just adding a dependable rhythm to your slumber can make a huge difference in its quality![1]
  2. Put the electronics away.  Studies show that the light emitted by devices like laptops, iPods, and television sets actually prevents our bodies from emitting the hormone melatonin… which helps us fall asleep.[2]  Try putting these devices away an hour before bed.  Then use the spare time for ritual pre-bed tasks like reading a devotional or brushing your teeth.
  3. Eat right and don’t eat late.  While going to bed hungry isn’t good, neither is going to bed too full.  Try making dinner your last opportunity to eat each day.  And don’t only make it your last meal, make it a healthy one.  You may be surprised at how much your diet and eating habits impact your slumber![3]
  4. Exercise.  Even a little conscientious stretching can set the rhythm necessary for a good night’s sleep.  Before you panic about needing to pump iron before bed, however, take a look at the National Sleep Institute’s 2013 poll.  Participants indicated that restful nights weren’t dependent on when during the day they worked out, just that they did![4]  A simple decision to take the stairs instead of the elevator or ride your bike instead of catching the bus can make a big difference.
  5. Count sheep… or better yet, say your prayers.  While it might sound disrespectful at first, prayer can play a vital role in taking our minds off the concerns that plagued us during the day, placing our focus back on God… exactly where it belongs!  This helps to shut down the ever-turning wheels of our brains, allowing us to relax and get the sleep we so desperately need.

These, of course, are only a few suggestions.  If you’d like a few more, take a look at the articles footnoted in this post.  You’re sure to find some great ideas that will set you on the path to getting the sleep you need if you’re going to live a life that brings glory to God!

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Evangelism and Physical Fitness: Sleep and Evangelism

Sleep is a natural part of our bodies’ rhythm, a need hard-wired into us by our Creator.  Overindulging the need is sinful, but ignoring it is equally so.  Last week in “Evangelism and Physical Fitness”, we took a very brief look at what the Bible has to say about the important role that sleep plays in our lives.  Far from being a random commandment, God’s concern for our rest has a solid basis in human physiology.  Scientists have told us much about the value of sleep in our lives.  Here’s a look at just a few of its benefits along with some thoughts on how those benefits help us to be better evangelists!

  1. Our bodies do much to repair the ravages of the day while we slumber.  Muscles damaged by use are knit back together and injuries are healed.  The result is that those who get regular, quality sleep heal faster and are more capable of performing the physical tasks necessary for a productive life.  This is important to us as “spiritual warriors” because no combatant, no matter how skilled, is able to fight a battle that they don’t have the energy to show up for!
  2. Our bodies and minds are deeply interconnected, so it should come as no surprise that what influences one often times influences the other – and sleep is no exception.  It is during sleep that memories from the preceding day are consolidated.  This helps us to better recall information when it’s time to take a test or put a new skill into practice.  The value of this should be evident.  Those who wish to find success in school, the workplace, or as evangelists, need to be able to remember and use what they have learned.
  3. Sleep decreases irritability.  People who receive sufficient rest are more capable of viewing situations in a logical fashion and have shown an increased ability to control their physical responses.  (Indeed, it appears that driving tired may be far more dangerous than driving drunk![1]  Now imagine going through an entire day like this!)  The result is that more rest generally equals less erratic action both physically and emotionally.  The end product is an improvement not only in the quality of our work, but also in the quality of our relationships – something of vital importance to the evangelist.  After all, what good is sharing the Gospel if our lives don’t reflect the patience and love of Christ?
  4. Sleep improves our ability to pay attention to what happens around us when we are awake.  We are more likely to notice details and recognize potential dangers in advance.  The result is that we remember more of what we see or study.  As Christian warriors, this attention to detail is vital to our ability to recognize opportunities to share the Good News of the Gospel with others.  It also increases our ability to learn from each experience.
  5.  Sleep spurs our creative problem-solving abilities.[2]  This means that we’re less likely to commit the “insanity” of trying the same thing over and over, expecting different results each time.  It also means that we’re more likely to think of new and more efficient ways to accomplish the tasks at hand – whether those tasks involve creating a better model for customer service, developing a more efficient robotic hand, or finding the most appropriate way to address a skeptic’s questions.

Obviously, the benefits of sufficient sleep are enormous!  So what should you do if you aren’t getting enough sleep?  We’ll take a look at some solutions next week.  Meanwhile, feel free to share your own experiences with sleep enhanced/deprived evangelism in the comment box below!

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Evangelism and Physical Fitness: The Biblical Value of Sleep

In our fast-paced society, resting often gets the short shrift.  There are only twenty-four hours in the day and most of us wake up each morning with plenty of work to fill every one of them!  There are chores to be done, studies to be completed, relationships to be developed, and work to do.  Because of this, it really isn’t that surprising that nearly 41 million American workers (and many more American students) aren’t getting enough sleep![1]  Indeed, according to one recent survey, up to 83% of us aren’t getting quality rest on a regular basis.[2]  We know it’s bad for our health, but is it actually unbiblical?  And how does this lack of sleep influence our ability to fight our spiritual battle?

The Bible actually has quite a bit to say about the value of sleep and, while we might be drawn to passages like Proverbs 6:4-11, 10:5, and 19:15 to justify our lack of sleep, it is laziness, not sleep deprivation which the author is attacking.  Indeed, Scripture has much to say about the sweetness of sleep, particularly the type of sleep which is derived from a life lived in line with God’s commands.  Take, for example, Proverbs 3:19-24:

“The LORD by wisdom founded the earth, by understanding He established the heavens. By His knowledge the deeps were broken up and the skies drip with dew. My son, let them not vanish from your sight; keep sound wisdom and discretion, so they will be life to your soul and adornment to your neck. Then you will walk in your way securely and your foot will not stumble. When you lie down, you will not be afraid; when you lie down, your sleep will be sweet.”

Or what about Proverbs 19:23?

“The fear of the LORD leads to life, so that one may sleep satisfied, untouched by evil.”

The Apostle Paul asked the Corinthian church, “do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.”  (1 Corinthians 6:19-20)  Obedience to this command requires us not only to consider issues like our sexual practices and what we eat, but also how we care for our bodies in other ways through physical activity… and lack thereof.

God took special care in ordering our days to give us time for sleep and rest.  (Take a moment to look up the creation account in Genesis 1 or the Sabbath commands of Exodus 16:22-30, Exodus 20:9-11, and Deuteronomy 5:12-15 for greater details concerning the important rhythm of work and rest which God intended.)  For Christians, this means that we take the time to ensure that we are getting the rest we need.  But this isn’t just a random command; there are practical medical reasons for rest and those medical reasons can have a strong influence on our ability to effectively share God’s love with others.  We will take a look at a few of these reasons next week.  Meanwhile, take time to share a few of your own thoughts on the value of sleep in the comment box below!

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Evangelism and Physical Fitness: An Introduction

Say the word “evangelism” and what comes to most of our minds is clever technique and skilled responses to difficult questions – the actual acts of sharing and defending the Gospel.  Unfortunately, it’s easy to allow these particular aspects of evangelism to “drown out” others which are equally important if we are to fulfill the commission of Matthew 28:19-20.  If we are to obediently “go” into the world to share the good news of God’s love, we must first take the time to prepare ourselves in spirit, mind, and body.  Indeed, without careful physical preparation, sharing the Gospel may not even be possible.  Imagine what would have happened had the disciples been too out of shape to walk from town to town with Jesus… or, later, across the world to tell the story of His life, death, and resurrection! Doubtless, the Good News wouldn’t have been spread as rapidly or as effectively as it was.

To prepare ourselves only for the mental aspect of evangelism is foolish.  It’s a bit like limiting our preparation for warfare to weapons classes and only weapons classes.  While the rapid fire of machine guns draws our attention, it isn’t just the ability to pull the trigger that wins the war. There is plenty that is going on behind the scenes to guarantee that the battle can take place to begin with.  There are Generals who strategize, secretaries who write down orders, supply officers who provide equipment, cooks who ensure the troops are eating properly, and medical officers who see to the physical health of future combatants.  Each of these people play an important role in ensuring that the battle takes place in such a way as to give the fighting men the best possible shot at victory.

If we’re to fight our spiritual battle (a battle that Scripture tells us in Ephesians 6:12 is not against flesh and blood) in a way that honors God and gives us the best possible opportunity for glorifying Him, we need to pay attention to everything that happens behind the scenes as well.  And this “behind the scenes” activity extends well beyond spiritual disciplines and into the practical activities of our daily lives – study, work, and play.

That’s why, for the next several weeks, we’ll be taking a look at a few of the more practical aspects of evangelism… and what the Scriptures (and common sense) have to tell us about some of these behind the scenes issues.  We’ll examine the importance of our physical health and the vital role that sleep, exercise, and healthy eating play in keeping us at the top of our game; ready to step in and do God’s work any time and any place.  We’ll discuss difficulties that Christians encounter as they try to develop a healthy lifestyle as well as a few of the dangers of overemphasizing our physical needs.  In the end, we hope to provide you with a good primer for keeping yourself “fighting fit”.

Before we begin, however, we’d like to take an opportunity to hear any questions you already have about these subjects.  While we can’t guarantee that we’ll be able to answer every one, we’ll sure give it a try!